>> schieffer: today marks my official debut as moderator of "face the nation." our aim is going to be very simple here to find interesting people from all segments of american life who have something to say and give them a chance to say it. that was me, 24 years ago today is my last broadcast on "face the nation." but we're going to keep with that tradition set nearly a quarter of century ago we'll stay focused on the news. there is news this morning. secretary of state john kerry has been injured in a bicycle accident in france and beau biden son of vice president joe biden has died of brain cancer. plus, we'll hear from potential republican presidential candidate and former florida governor jeb bush. you're not telling me that there's possibility you may not run. >> i hope i run to be honest

with you. i'd like to run. but i haven't made the decision. >> schieffer: the director of the cia john brennan. i'll also have some personal thoughts on 58 years as a reporter because this some "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning, the news from overnight vice president biden's son and former delaware attorney general beau biden has died after a long battle with brain cancer. he was 46. he leaves a wife and two children. and this morning secretary of state john kerry has broken his right leg in a bicycle accident. he was airlifted to a hospital in gentleman geneva will return home later today. expected to make a full recovery. the major story this weekend congress must decide today whether to extend the national security agency's authority to secretly collect and keep a record of telephone calls.

intelligence agencies say that is vital to the fight against terrorists. as we continue our survey of likely 2016 presidential candidates, we caught up yesterday with former florida governor jeb bush at the johnny cash museum in nashville. we asked him if he believes the nation's security will be in danger if the program is allowed to expire. >> i do. i do. it's not violation of civil liberties, no evidence, not a shred of evidence that the meta data program that is violated anybody's civil liberties. first duty of our national government to protect the homeland this has been an effective tool along with many others the pay tree @act ought to be reauthorized. >> what is the greatest threat to our nation tall security right now? >> we have lot mr. than we did just a few years ago as we pulled back. we had these new asymmetric threats, isis, want to destroy

western civilization that's front and center. maybe the most important one. >> schieffer: let's talk about isis. and these recent successes that they have had it always seems to come as a surprise when they make another gain. at the very least do you think we need to put some ground troops back in there? >> i think we need to coordinate with the iraqi government and with the military. we need to embed american troops as we've done successfully in the past to help train them to, identify targets. to do what we do really well. we need to encourage the auto rocky government to provide support to the sunni tribes as we did during the surge. we need to arm the kurds as well in coordination with the iraqi government. we need a strategy. we have series of tactics reacting to whatever is going on in the ground. that doesn't mean we have to have become bat troops in harm's

way. in concert with other countries certainly in an effort to try to restrict iranian influence in iraq that we can play a constructive role. >> schieffer: some of the administration's credit are saying privately that administration is sort of just buying time. is is trying to leave this for the next president. >> it looks that way. don't have clear strategy. both military as well as political. we need to make sure that iraq is stable for the region. and to create narrowing the influence of isis not just in iraq but in syria. it doesn't appear that they have a strategy. they put every time that they talk about strategy they put conditions on that strategy to make it harder. i think first thing you need to do take advice of military leaders that know a lot about this. take their input. create strategy. express what the strategy s. the

strategy ought to be take out isis in coordinated way. do it over the long haul. not something that is going to happen overnight. >> schieffer: that can be done without putting ground combat troops? >> i do. it does require training. iraqi military. it requires garnering the support of the region. it requires the air power that we have right now. it requires better intelligence, special forces for sure. president is using that, that's a good thing. >> schieffer: the iraqis basically turned and ran during this latest encounter. >> i don't know if that's true or not he has more information. the simple fact if we can reengage with the government and with the military and train them and embed troops with them, narrow the influence of the shia militia restore what existed when the president came into power which was a fragile but

secure iraq. we'll be far better off. >> schieffer: i guess what i'm asking, if they won't do it, we can't do it for them, can we? >> no. exactly right. but we should be engaged to make it possible for them to do it. that's the point. when we pull back iraqi military was not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but it was battle tested and it was -- iraq was far more secure place. as we pull back all of the sectarian, they started firing the professionals, putting in political hacks and that's the problem. we did not engage politically when we left militarily we left a huge void. >> schieffer: governor, let's talk about politics. it's obvious that you're running for president you're going around the country raising huge amounts of money for your super pac in addition to making all the traditional campaign stops everywhere. watchdog groups and some of your

opponents are maybe violating campaign laws, that the attorney general ought to be investigating because they point out that you can't raise money and coordinate strategy with the super pacs and what you declare as candidate you can't do that any more. do you think in some way you may be just at least violating the spirit of the law, do you feel that you have violated the law here? >> of course not. i would never do that. i'm nearing the end of this journey of traveling and listening to people, garnering trying to get a sense of whether my candidacy would be viable or not. we're going to completely adhere to the law for her. poll go particulars is politics, always people that are going to be carping. should i be a candidate that will be in the relatively near future when that decision will be made no. coordination with any super pac. >> you're in the telling me that there's possibility you may not

run. >> look, i hope i run, to be honest with you. i'd like to run. but i haven't made the decision. >> what would have to happen between now and then to convince you not to run? >> i've learned not to answer a lot of hypothetical questions. >> schieffer: you're probably going to run. >> i hope so. i hope i'm a candidate in the near future. i'll have chance to talk about my record, share my heart offer ideas that will give people sense that their future might be brighter than what we have today. >> schieffer: last year you said, i'm going to quote you anyone running for president should be prepared to, quote lose the primary to win the general election without violating your principles. what hot button issues would you be willing to separate yourself from say right wing of your party to carry out that philosophy. >> i said that i'm not going to lose the primary you have no chance ever winning the general.

the simple point people are so disaffected, so cynical about politicians and politics they don't want to hear someone say i'm for this now then immediately shift back to another position for the general election. those days if they ever existed or over. i have used -- are different. that's what we'll sort out if i'm a candidate. i'm not going to back down on views on immigration, for example. i think we have immigration problem. it's a system that's broken. legal system is broken. we need to narrow family petitioning expand economic immigrants. need to enforce the law. we can't use this, keep having this be political issue when we're missing opportunity to create growth that everybody could benefit from. >> let me ask you about that. you have said in the past that you do support a path for legal citizenship and residency for the 11 million people here in this country that are here illegally.

a lot of your opponents say that's amnesty. >> right. >> schieffer: do you still favor path to citizenship for these people? i'm for a path for legalized status. people get provisional work permit pay taxes learn english, don't commit crimes, don't receive federal government assistance and earn legal status. they don't earn citizenship. they don't cut in line with people who have been patiently waiting on the outside. that seems to be a fair system. those opposed to that don't have plan to deal with the 11 million people that are here illegally. >> schieffer: president obama as you well know have taken several executive actions. would you overturn those actions that he took if you're elected? >> i think the supreme court will overturn. i think it's unconstitutional. i've written a book about this. simple fact is, doesn't have the authority to do what did he.

he knows that, he's doing this for political purposes to create a wedge for democrats to win elections i think. now going forward -- >> schieffer: what if the supreme court doesn't overturn it. would you void those actions? >> the solution ought to be to change the law. that's what i would do as president of the united states. change the law. create a different status for those so-called dream act kids than other people. if you come here when you were a kid -- >> schieffer: you could just overturn those as the new president, you could issue another -- >> we need to face the whole immigration system. >> schieffer: you would do that? >> first priorities for policy changes fixing a broken immigration system. >> schieffer: let me ask you about social security. you recently said you favor raising the retirement age for social security. to what age? >> i think it needs to be faced in over extended period of time. i've seen ideas that are 68, for

example. so people that already have the supplement tall retirement system which is contract i don't think we violate that for people that are about ready to be beneficiaries of their supplemental retirement. i don't think we change that. we need to look over the horizon begin to phase in over extended period going from 65 to 68 or 70 that by itself will help sustain the retirement system for anybody under the age of 40. >> schieffer: what about means testing. >> yes. >> if you do get the nomination maybe your opponent, hillary clinton, do you think it is already for foreign governments to contribute millions ever dollars to the clinton foundation when she was secretary of state now that she's running for president? >> no, i don't. at least at minimum should be fully disclosed which was the agreement i thought she had between the government and the clinton foundation.

it turns out that the rules don't always apply consistently for the clintons. just clear transparency. it looks to me what i've read about this is that in fact the reason why transparency was suggested by the obama administration was to avoid exact problem we now face which is implication of favoritism. >> schieffer: her camp would come back say there's no suggestion even of any quid pro quo. do you take them at their word? >> there's the implication if you read these articles. they signed a deal with the administration. i'll come in to the department of state and i will make sure that my spouse will report any dealings he has with other countries and so will the foundation. net result they did some but didn't do them all. now you have this doubt. it's inappropriate. >> schieffer: let me ask you

i've talked to your brother couple of times he's very candid. he says one of the problems that you're going to have is him. he says you cannot let the campaign become about him. >> right. >> schieffer: do you think he's your main challenge? >> no. i don't. this is hard for me to be honest with you to -- i have to do the heisman on my brother that i love. this is not something i'm comfortable doing. but i'm my own person. i have my own life experience. and i will be successful if i'm a candidate when i share my heart and talk about what i've done as governor of the state where i cut taxes reduced state government workforce by 11%. moved the state to triple-a bond rating they call me vito corlioni. which grew in 4.5%. as i tell that store tree people will begin to say yeah, he's a bush. that's fine. but i'm for him because he has ideas that will help me rise up.

my brother is not going to be a problem at all. i seek out his advice. i love him dearly. i've learned from his -- >> schieffer: let me -- that's an interesting question. what do you think you learned from him? successes and mistakes? >> the successes clearly are protecting the homeland. we were under attack, he unified the country and he showed dogged determination. he kept us safe. you can talk about a lot of stuff but when you're president of the united states and confronted with that kind of event to respond the way he did is admirable. i've learned from that. i think i learned also from not having -- keeping the lanes on spending. because of the war and because of the focus on protecting the homeland i think he let the republican congress get out of control. >> schieffer: making a decision to run for president is an enormous personal decision for anyone to make. your brother talked about it.

i know you've talked about it. your father talked about putting your family through this exercise. have you talked to your family about this and are you comfortable with what you're doing here as far as your family is concerned? >> i am. i prayed about it and talked at length my wife of 41 years who is the love of my life and my kids and they're totally all in. they know how ugly it can be. it's hard for family -- easier as candidate. you can slough it off when the attacks start. we're at ugly time politically. one of the next challenges for the next president to restore some civility in our political process. in the interim it's ugly for sure. but that was the big decision for me to even pursue the consideration of running to be honest with you, to make sure that my family was all in on this. >> schieffer: one more question. when are you going to announce? >> bob first of all let me say how much i just respect your

service to our country, "face the nation" is the go-to place i just appreciate everything you've done. unfortunately you won't be around for me announce possible candidacy. >> schieffer: when will that be, next month? >> it will be soon for sure i have trip to germany poland and estonia a week from monday. after that i'll have to make up my mind. >> schieffer: i'd like to tell you that we'll certainly like to have you -- i won't be here but john dickerson will. he'll be glad to see you if you want to come tell us. >> thank you, sir. for the first time american kids are slated to live a shorter life span than their parents. it's a problem that we can turn around and change. revolution foods is a company we started to provide access to healthy affordable, kid-inspired chef-crafted food. we looked at what are the aspects

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resolution about the exploration of this authority that the national security agency has to collect so-called meta data, collect these phone records and keep track of them. some people say they have no business during that whatsoever. and they want it to end. others say it is absolutely vital to fighting the war on terrorism. i take it you come down on that side of it. >> right bob. first of all let me say it's an honor to be here. you're an icon in the broadcast news industry and honor to be on your show. >> thank you. >> the tools that have used are integral to making sure that we're able to stop terrorism in their tracks. the tools that we have is the patriot act. those ways that we are able to monitor their activities really have

package of safeguards put in place. so the president the attorney general, director of national intelligence all are very supportive of an extension of those capabilities and those authorities. unfortunate ly i think there is a little too much political grandstanding and crew aiding for ideological causes that have really fueled the debate on this issue. these tools are important. >> schieffer: what happens if this does run out at midnight because senator rand paul says he's go fog do everything he can to delay. this let's just say they don't do anything, these authorities expire. what happened? >> the bureau does not have the ability to track these various elements that we are looking at, we're trying to carry out attacks here on the homeland. whether it's the roving wiretap use multiple phones in order to conduct communications and to plan attacks. whether or not ability to be able to go into business records

and get court orders. these are very important authorities that have not been abused by the government. these are authorities that have been used by government to make sure able to safeguard experience. the irony most americans expect the government to protect them. lots of debates that go on. when you go out to boise or tampa or louisville, americans are expecting their law enforcement and homeland security and intelligence professionals. these authorities are important. >> schieffer: do you think that terrorist elements will take advantage of this? >> i think terrorist elements have watched very carefully what has happened here in the united states. whether or not it's disclosures of classified information or whether it's changes in the law and policy they are looking for the seams to operate. this is something that we can't afford to do right now because if you look at the horrific terrorist attacks and violence being perpetrated around the globe, we need to keep our country safe and our oceans are not keeping us safe the way they did century ago. >> schieffer: any kind of back up plan or anything that --

is there anything that will go into affect to try to make up nor while congress is trying to decide what to do about it? >> law enforcement will always use whatever authorities and capabilities and tools they have. if these lapsed might have fewer tools but we'll be working as hard as we can to protect the american people. we have a very good track record. we look what's happening in the middle east and how isil and other groups are trying to export their violence. >> schieffer: you know, after 9/11 you look back at the summer before 9/11, there were all kind of red lights blinking we missed that. are you worried that we may be seeing another kind of situation like that here? >> yes. because these tools give us better ability to see the tactical moves that various

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>> schieffer: some of our stations are leaving us now for most of you we'll be right back with a lot more "face the nation" including more from cia director john brennan. and our panel and final goodbye.

>> schieffer: welcome back to "face the nation." we continue our discussion with cia director john brennan. what do you consider, i asked jeb bush, what do you see as main threat to our security? >> continues to be at the forefront of our concerns. look what is happening with isis, destruction in that part of the world. the destabilization is affecting our national interests 'brought built have great potential to bring that threat here to the homeland. in the cyberdigital environment this is an area that continues to evolve. there's a lot of room for trouble making in that environment as far as hacking as well as trying to destroy different types of infrastructure. i think this is something that as we look out over the next five or ten years we're going to

have to make sure that we're aware of the threats that exist within that digital cyber-environment that puts our national security at risk. >> schieffer: is isis actively planning an attack on the u.s. homeland? >> isis has been very sophisticated and adept at using the internet to propagate its message and reach out to individuals. we see what is happening as far as thousands of individuals including many thousands from the west, travel to syria and iraq number of these individuals are traveling back. what we see they're also using internet as way to incite and encourage individuals to carry out acts of violence. the director of fbi says this use of these websites and their internet capabilities is something of great concern. i think isis did a threat not just in the middle east and south asia and african regions but our rap as well as united states. >> schieffer: director, does the political breach we have this israel has that degraded or

any way made -- hurt our intelligence garthing capabilities? >> absolutely not. there is very, very strong relationship between united states and israel. the i think about our system that can be policy differences between our governments but intelligence know that we have an obligation to keep our country safe and secure. and so although great debate about iranian nuclear negotiations going on, the cia nsa, other intelligence community working very close with their israeli as well as other counterparts. >> schieffer: another question i asked jeb bush, some of the critics, some of them are within the government. the ones in the government are not saying these things publicly but saying the president seems to be just trying to buy time here. not ready to make a full commitment. basically keep things together well enough that he can leave it

to the next president to resolve it. do you see that? >> i don't see anything like that. i've been involved in this administration in different capacities the last six and a half years and there has been full court effort to try to keep this country safe. dealing with some of these problems in the middle east talking about iran, iran libya some of the most complex issues that i've seen in my 35 years. no easy solutions. i think the president has tried to make sure that we're able to push the envelope when we can to protect this country. but we have to recognize that sometimes our engagement and direct involvement will stimulate and spur additional threats to our national interests. >> whatever else you want to say about iraq every single gain that isis has made seems to have come as a surprise to the united states government. is that a fair statement? >> take look what we knew, when we knew about isis and its movements inside of iraq and

syria. we saw growing strength, there are a lot of factors that come to play in terms of what gains to make on the ground and has been discussed sometimes there are different units that don't have the leadership, the logistic support that they need in order to counter isis. there for as lack of will to fight. i must say that there has been a fair amount of intelligence about growing abilities much isis as well as the challenges that the iraqi government, to fuel these problems. so i think intelligence mission to try make sure that our policy makers and others develop developments as they evolve but lot of times these are fast breaking and very dynamic. the situation is quite precarious. >> nobody plays down how difficult this is. this it's enormously difficult task, but what do you need to be doing or what needs to be done that hasn't been done because i

see it seems to me that isis is getting stronger. not getting weaker. >> well, i think we can look at iraq and syria, we need to make sure maintain military pressure on the battlefield against isis. against the other terrorist extremes. at the same time i believe firmly that we're not going to resolve this problem on the battlefield. we have to keep the pressure on them but at same time has to be viable political process to bring together the actors inside iraq and syria for them to be able to decide how they're going to have a peaceful pe tour. combination of political pressures to be brought to bear. this is going to be a long fight. i don't see this being resolved any time soon. we need to turn back isis, we will turn back isis, no doubt about it there. is going to be a lot of bloodshed between now and then. >> schieffer: let me ask you a little bit about negotiations to try to limit iran's nuclear power. if we can come to some agreement with iran, do you feel confident

that we will have the intelligence capability to know if they're cheating? >> one of the i think very strong parts of the framework that is being discussed hopefully will be negotiated with a settlement very rigorous and special campaign part of this framework. that the ea and others will have access to. but i believe that u.s. intelligence and other agencies will need to be able to continue to watch monitor and see whether or not iran is adhering and abiding by the various requirements of the deal. we work very closely with our partners, we've learned a lot about the iranian program over the last decade i'm confident that we'll be able to bring to bear some of those capabilities that we -- ex mr. tease that we've developed. >> schieffer: the travel ban on the five prisoners who were at guantanamo bay who were released in exchange for release

of mr. bergdahl. there was a within on them that they couldn't travel from their host country that ban is ending. what should be done about that, are you concerned that these people might go back to the fight? >> they are afghan citizens we have been engaged with the government. i've talked personally with officials about their monitoring of these individuals that have been in qatar the last year. looking what are the 'rakements that can be put in place what is going to be the disposition of these individuals, whether they will be sent back to afghanistan or stay in doha this is continuing, part of the ongoing process of discussing with our qatari partners what is in the best interest of national security. >> schieffer: do you want them to stay there or put them in jail? >> i want to make sure that they're not going to be allowed to return to the fight. i think this is part of the rehabilitation process as monitoring process. arrangement that can be worked

out with the qataris and afghans are what are the possibilities here. >> schieffer: all right. mr. director, thank you so much for joining us on this broadcast. pleasure to have you. all the best. >> best wishes to you. >> schieffer: thank you so much. we'll be right back with our panel.

>> schieffer: we're back with our panel. peg knee noonan. cbs news contributor. david ignatious with the "washington post." dan balz and unofficial dean of the washington press corps and cbs and 20 minutes from now will officially start a new job john dickerson. john, if you can answer this question you can just have the job. this is, what is the senate going to do when they come into session later today? >> here is what they that i they're going to do. try to deal with patriot act which will expire at the end of today. rand paul says he's going to end the patriot act. well, the republicans saying that's not going to happen. may happen for a few days, may go away. what mitch mccontinental hoping to do take this house bill that passed, maybe add a few changes to it. but that they will pass that through senate then what might happen is patriot act would in fact go away.

but then this modification pass through the house would pass and patriot act would come back in a new form around wednesday or thursday. >> schieffer: so, does that make sense to you, dan? >> well, it seems to be the only way they can get this done. rand paul is clearly has a strong position on this but also using it for his political purposes in his presidential campaign. trying to raise money off his opposition. he's firm ly committed to stopping this for the time being but i assume over next couple of days they will get it resolved. >> some this of comes under the heading, timing is everything. when the whole issue of privacy and the patriot act came up in a very big way about 18 months, two years ago there was a certain relative sense of calm and which debates could be launched. i kind of think right now there is a heightened sense of danger, the government is reporting more

threats. isis, hotter sense of danger i think at the end of the day that will work against those who certainly -- will work against rand paul wanting to get rid of the patriot act but may work against certain fixes. frankly i think are needed, timing is everything. >> first say thank you. you taught everyone in journalism how to do it right. treating people with respect and also asking them tough questions always as in your interview with jeb bush. talking about this question of the patriot act. what is striking to me is the way in which the consensus that used to exist about surveillance has fragmented. you have president 'become ma with john boehner, the speaker of the house. more or less intentioned with the republican leadership which -- question for me how are you going to put back toga consensus about whatever emerges

from the process this week. is there really going to be public support. without it these tools that john boehner talked about are not going to be effective. >> schieffer: how dangerous a position to this, peggy? this sounds pretty serious to me if they don't get this thing done. >> disappears for a few days. i think john brennan made the very clear. we're going to do whatever we have to d. not just say we'll see you in a few days. we're not going to do any work. it does sound serious i think that at the end of the day will force some kind of outcome. that may go quicker than we hoped. in the congress. i think the reason that consensus has fallen apart comes down to meta data. increasing sense on the part of many people, my gosh, this government that we have can really kind of make us feel violated or actually violate our

privacy. that's not a -- it's a serious fourth amendment thing. it was the fourth biggest thing to take care of. searches and seizures. i think this is an inevitable argument. an argument worth having, timing will affect it. >> schieffer: well, the cavalcade of presidential candidates continues to roll on, what do we have, three people this week. martin o'malley makes it official he's going to run former governor of maryland. he's also the former mayor of baltimore. he's in. bernie sanders is the other democrat that said he's going to run. hillary clinton of course is out there. does anybody -- then two republicans also announce, george pataki and rick santorum and lindsey graham is going to announce later this week.

>> put limits on the number of candidates who can appear on televised debate that is going to be a point. >> think about this. two dozen men and a woman. that's a lot of people on debate stage. that's impossible number of guys in ties. nobody is going to get to take anything. they actually do have to do something just to make the debate itself coherent as they begin. >> schieffer: what happens next? obviously all of these people are not going -- these campaigns are not going to last until election day. i'm worried about two things. number one we'll all be asleep by then. is it just so much talk going on that by the time we get to the real election season nobody is going to be very interested any more more. >> i think you're going to have -- you have to have fight over something that distinguishes person a from person b. or in this case b c d e f j. one thing that is interesting

about this national debate over survey answer. real differences over politics. the flash point has been between rand paul and everyone else. all other republicans this week were fighting to issue press releases which they could condemn rand paul. but then rand paul went from beyond surveillance say the hawks within conservative movement were responsible for the growth of isis. what you're seeing ideological but also policy debate. if you want to be candidate to distinguish yourself you have to take positions that are going to distinguish you. i think that is what we'll start to see a little bit. >> schieffer: we saw jeb bush this morning say in thely he does favor some kind of legal status for the 11 million immigrants who are here without papers. that is going to set him apart from a lot of people in that. >> it definitely does. he has stuck to that position through this long period of quote, unquote noncandidacy that you thought you grilled him very effectively on. one of the problems right now is that there are so many

candidates, so little shape to this race it's hard for people to know who they need to go after. who they think they need to draw distinction with. until we get to the next phase when everybody is formally in, when the debates begin even as clumsy and difficult as they're going to be, we'll be in period which it's not quite clear how sharply those differences are going to get. but as john says they will get engaged. >> i think one of the things that is very good is to remember these guys and a woman are running for president. that means ought to be forth coming away the way you look philosophically at the mid east. what you think america is doing there. what immigration needs. these are big issues you want to be talking about. they have really started engaging, maybe it started with marco rubio speech at the council of foreign relations. i'm disheartened that mrs. clinton seems to get away

with not talking about these things. she wants to be president too. she's wand it for a long time. she knows where she stands. instead we have listening, are lovely to see talking and explaining. >> schieffer: how long can she maintain that status, david? so far she has -- has she had any news conferences? >> maintains as long as she is the presumptive candidate tries to passion. i think it's in her interests for the democratic field abroad. for o'malley, for sanders, for others to come in and she's run can against them and testing her understands against their ideas not running against the press. that's the situation she's in now. has not been very favorable one for her. >> she's about to make a turn. on june 13 she will have an announcement. will be the announcement, formal launch of the candidacy. at that point according to the people around her she will

layout in more detail than she has done so far what she wants to do as a presidential candidate and president and after that as they say schedule in which she will go into more detail about this, she will chose the movement at which she decides to talk. i think the question is, how much she will then take questions about the things she stands for or doesn't stand for how much she is willing to engage with her rifles and with the president. >> schieffer: she can run against the democrats if she didn't want to run against the other -- run against republicans is what i meant to say if she didn't want to run against other democrats. i don't see much. what is your sense? >> i was interested in martin o'malley's announcement. seemed to me to do two things. one to say predictably i'm the new generation, i'm going to get rid of these old folks. he had a very sharp point to

make about how the presidency is not a crown that two families get to pass back and forth. but more interestingly he did talk about issues. talked about his stance. seemed he was not only to the left of mrs. clinton trying to get, he seemed implicitly critical of president obama. you know he painted a certain america of unhappiness and racial division and economic inequality and why is nobody on wall street go been arrested. in the certain point of view that was rebuke of his sitting president. he may make it interesting. >> not just implicitly critical of president obama when i spoke to him friday he was explicitly critical on the trade issue said he felt that the president has been captured by the corporate interest who stand to gain from the trade deals. retaking on both. >> to pick up on that trade point, 'attacking on trade also

to expose vulnerability of hillary clinton. obvious ly a long history with nafta and president clinton but hillary clinton trying to play it safe. what martin o'malley is taking strong stand on trade point out, show the areas that she's not being forthright. we're going to end it that. presiding over my last panel here it's been a lot of fun. john, you're going to love this job. we'll be right back after this support break.

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